View topic - Discussing Improvement

Discussing Improvement

Everything else not pony related can goes here

Re: Discussing Improvement

Postby Shinula » Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:10 pm

I find the notion of a higher rating room unnecessary, completely so. What good is it? What is anypony actually going to do with a slightly higher rating?
Besides, unless ponies can take their actions out of that room (by which I mean happenings in that room count towards the general chat cannon), then it won't see much use. I've seen plenty of other sites try to do the same thing, and naturally it's the most unused thing there. At most there will be two people and they'd be better of just rp'ing in whispers.
User avatar
Shinula
Celestia
 
Posts: 289
Joined: Fri May 06, 2011 2:46 am
Location: Australia

Re: Discussing Improvement

Postby Sali » Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:53 pm

I'm not saying that it should be the requirement, I'm saying that is currently how it is. If ponies want to do something over dramatic or that they think would interrupt others' RP or don't fit in anywhere (like trips to far off lands), they tend to go to the Other room for that, at least in my experience. It is more of an etiquette thing.
User avatar
Sali
Twilight Sparkle
 
Posts: 97
Joined: Wed May 25, 2011 2:12 pm

Re: Discussing Improvement

Postby Barbarella » Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:58 pm

Personally I feel that bringing OOC to a PG-13 rating is logical, but IC should never go past PG.

Using the Other Room for dramatic/personal/distanced plots and situations is far and away from using it as a PG-13 Room, which violates current rules. If it has ever been used that way, I am not aware of it.
User avatar
Barbarella
 
Posts: 335
Joined: Fri May 06, 2011 1:10 am
Location: United States

Re: Discussing Improvement

Postby Sali » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:54 pm

I suppose so. But then again, ratings different by location and content. Unless we decided to actually pull up the code on what PG-13 actually means, I think it's just safe to assume that the Other Room is fine for things that would otherwise disturb the flow of the RP on most rooms, but still follow the site's rules and guidelines. (Stuff in dreams, or off in Saddle Arabia and other places, dramatic plots that would clog the Residential Areas during high traffic and other things like that.) That's what I meant.

I still think we're grown up enough to approach the level of the comic books, but then again they're not exactly PG-13 anyway (PG at best.) But that's my personal opinion.
User avatar
Sali
Twilight Sparkle
 
Posts: 97
Joined: Wed May 25, 2011 2:12 pm

Re: Discussing Improvement

Postby Barbarella » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:57 pm

Oh, well yeah! That's what I've always used it for. I misunderstood.

And I haven't read the comics yet, I really need to.
From what I've *seen* though, I think that we've been at that level this whole time.
We just need to make that obvious, if that's what we're going for.
User avatar
Barbarella
 
Posts: 335
Joined: Fri May 06, 2011 1:10 am
Location: United States

Re: Discussing Improvement

Postby Sali » Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:05 pm

It was my fault for using PG-13 as a shorthand for 'more mature or intense' and 'not in the general color of the rest of the chat' rather than actually thinking of the hard rules that apply to the rating itself. So yeah. And I think that's the case, too. I agree that we just need to clarify it overall.
User avatar
Sali
Twilight Sparkle
 
Posts: 97
Joined: Wed May 25, 2011 2:12 pm

Re: Discussing Improvement

Postby BlueThrush » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:29 pm

I always thought Other Room was "location that does not fit into any other listed room." Just this week, in fact, Red Robin and Mickey used the room as they flew South to gather the birdies for Winter Wrap Up~
User avatar
BlueThrush
 
Posts: 50
Joined: Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:24 pm

Re: Discussing Improvement

Postby Sali » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:47 pm

That's a perfectly valid application of the room, yes. ^_^
User avatar
Sali
Twilight Sparkle
 
Posts: 97
Joined: Wed May 25, 2011 2:12 pm

Re: Discussing Improvement

Postby Barbarella » Tue Mar 25, 2014 3:04 pm

Alright, at the moment I am focusing on our Rules/Guidelines/Ideals.
Just like with PnP, not looking to change the formula or rewrite the book, only looking to reword/clarify and fit in stuff that seems to be less obvious/unspoken, or that has been made apparent over time.

I'm going to start with the Ideals of the site, since that sort of determines how the rest can and should be done.
A Mission Statement of some sort would be a good start, so I'm going to work on that.
In the meantime I ask all of you to come up with what YOU think should be highlighted or addressed, as far as Fillydelphia's Ideals are concerned.
What we're all about, our atmosphere, our goals, etc. etc. etc.

Current Ideals are here.
User avatar
Barbarella
 
Posts: 335
Joined: Fri May 06, 2011 1:10 am
Location: United States

Re: Discussing Improvement

Postby Barbarella » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:34 pm

Kind of looking for opinions guys.
I'd rather not write something out, without considering such things.
So, you know, personal favor here, looking for posts. :twilightsheepish:
User avatar
Barbarella
 
Posts: 335
Joined: Fri May 06, 2011 1:10 am
Location: United States

Re: Discussing Improvement

Postby Derby Runner » Mon Mar 31, 2014 12:44 am

Flim: "Flam it looks like these poor ponies are in need of some our unique advice that just cannot be beat!"

Flam: "You mean you want to tell these ponies about what we think, I mean, they could do to help eager roleplayers come out and have true to the show sessions they leave them hanging on the edge of their seat?"

Flim: "You got it, oh brother of mine. These ponies could do with a just a good dose of examples of what keeping to the show spirit actually means."

Flam: "Well there it is Flim, but what exactly does show spirit actually entail. And by that, what is it that gives this show the magic it has show with it's many conflicting scenes?"

Flim:"I see you have a point there, and for that, my brother, we must first explain the differences between types of scenes in the show, between what's actually going on, and what's just on the go."

Flam: "Now Flim, what would you say about the part of Three's a Crowd, which showed Discord at an airport, certainly we're not to believe that ponies have the common access to airplanes, let alone the electric components necessary for metal detectors or their wands."

Flim: "Of course not Flam, we might have the hot air balloon, but advanced aeronautics is a leap, skip, and a jump from that! Maybe a pair of dashingly charming brothers will come along and revolutionize air travel, but until then, we're left with what we can call our first type of scene. The Musical Cutaway."

Flam: "Ah yes, The Musical Cutaway, how ever could I forget, that's the phenomenon brought on by the most pure of magic in the whole vast world of Equestria!"

Flim: "Bits?"

Flam: "Close enough! But it's the power of music! The incredulous fabulous force of malleable proportions guaranteed to add that extra bit of zing to a musical orchestration."

Flim: "Ah yes, Music! The import part of a ponies life that lets them temporarily stretch the scope of reality to add a point or rhyme to performance."

Flam: "Couldn't of put it any better myself, my brother if I had, and did so try to."

Flim: "Exactly, and we've seen plenty of times where musical has does this feat, from a giant Manehatten Filly, to a colossal pekingese, to even a unrealistically tall stallion."

Flam: "And if those three completely differentiating examples didn't put it best, they've had instant scene and costume changes, the scenery adding into the performance, and some just simple randomness."

Flim: "I think that just about wraps up the first explanation of how scenes in show spirit works! Now without further adieu, let's keep going headstrong along into our second type of scene, the infamous, sometimes cantankerous, but still entertaining, Sight Gag."

Flam: "You mean how when a pony sees something that disgusts them, it can make them sick and potentially lost control of there stomachs and-"

Flim: "Let me stop you right there Flam, before you give somepony the sight gag you were talking about. The Sight Gag type of scene is where something out of place is interjected into a scene to make it more entertaining or make a situation laughable."

Flam: "You mean like the steam powered analog computers Twilight used on Pinkie Pie in the Pinkie Sense episode."

Flim: "Simply put, quite so! Not so simply put, it's the random, sometimes reoccurring type of thing that is never the focus, nor the topic of said scene, like Rarity's Fainting Couch and Pinkie's ornithopter!"

Flam: "Ornithroper you say, think they make those in tandem, my dear brother?"

Flim: "Interesting idea, Flam, but let's get this over with first, we only have one more example of Show Spirit to talk about!"

Flam: "You mean the most important of them all of course, the completely magical average scene itself!"

Flim: "That's right! It's just the common way ponies hold themselves, and one of the best points of that, is happiness."

Flam: "The feeling of bits filling our bank accounts?"

Flim: "In a sense, exactly so, brother of mine. Ponies by nature are happy, forgiving, and gulli- I mean generous folk. We've come to Ponyville on several occasions now, and fooled the same ponies on multiple instances, with little more of a verbal lashing from Miss Applejack."

Flam: "And a bit of a beating to our pride, but it made us stronger, wiser, better swindle-er I mean, Salesponies, right Flim?"

Flim: "Maybe so, Flam, maybe so. But it also shows that most ponies are naturally suspicious of a good that may be too good to be true. We've also seen how ponies normally act in fight or flight situations too!"

Flam: "We are but small horses after all, and why not put are most valuable assets to use, aside from our devilishly good looks."

Flim: "Yes, our hooves. I mean, ponies are naturally caring, loving, and specialized folk, and the only times we see action happen, is when a pony is defending somepony else!"

Flam: "You could call that the power of friendship, patent pending of course. You also mentioned that ponies are specialized, why don't you elaborate for our viewers?"

Flim: "I'll do just that! Well, you see, ponies are rarely generalized folk, and we've all seen how Pinkie holds up on a farm compared to going hoof to hoof in a laugh off with a weird but cheesy fellow. That would carry over to apply to us too, in the sense we make excellent spokesponies, salesponies, and snake wrestlers."

Flam: "We had to get that Snake Oil from somewhere."

Flim: "But we'd be able to do little more than take advanta- I mean, help other ponies, during a vine attack, or changeling uprising, or an attack by an Ursa Minor."

Flam: "Of course, there are the exceptions to the norm. But we'll save the discussion about Fluttershy's cutie mark for later, and go more exceptions in generalizations."

Flim: "The show hasn't really provided many appearances of the materiel we could use to procure these examples, but we have had a few. Two very good ones in fact, a pair of smooth and handsome brothers who prove that not all ponies are quick to pursuit the clean hoofed route, or quick to be redeemed either."

Flam: "Yes, and we've also seen how even specialized ponies can pull off completely different tasks on the rare occasion, like Applejack and her lesser bothersome friends helping out with fixing the dresses in Rarity Takes Manehatten, which both exhausted them, and was Rarity's perfect revenge for making those awful dresses in season one."

Flim: "That might be why she did it, and even if we don't have plenty of examples of things working against the norm, that also makes the experiences unique."

Flam: "And Unique is our middle names!"

Flim: "So take a bit and think about how you could add to the unique experience that is Fillydelphia Roleplay, but also remember."

Flim and Flam: "Keep with the Show Spirit!"
User avatar
Derby Runner
 
Posts: 35
Joined: Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:51 pm

Re: Discussing Improvement

Postby CrystalBrookes » Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:03 am

Of course "The show spirit" is a good idea, but it ends up being so subjective.
CrystalBrookes
 
Posts: 78
Joined: Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:38 pm

Re: Discussing Improvement

Postby Barbarella » Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:34 am

CrystalBrookes wrote:Of course "The show spirit" is a good idea, but it ends up being so subjective.


To me things stop being subjective, when you can look at something and clearly say "that doesn't fit."
It's just a single question: "Could you see it happening in the show?"
When it comes to the obvious stuff: 2edgy4me or angsty backstories, gore, drugs, general adult themes and stuff, most people (I hope) are able to say "No, that does not fit." :trixieleft:

There are definitely "grey" areas, and those should be discussed, but the idea behind this site *is* following the "Spirit of the Show". That's been, from my standpoint, the goal since Day One.
Does it limit things? Yes. That's the idea.
By focusing on a niche, we're able to make things easier for everypony involved and not step on any toes.

It encourages other ideas, and by extension, other sites/communities.
I don't think Filly should be about serving everypony, it shouldn't be seen as a service to begin with.
It's a community, and communities are based on common ground/shared ideals. Ours is "Spirit of the Show." :applejackunsure:


As to Derby's post, I love it. :pinkiehappy:
Outlining and explaining things through character representation is something that hadn't even crossed my mind. It's RP-related, fun, and it makes reading guidelines seem like less of a chore. It'll be harder to pull off, sure, but I think it's definitely something worth trying out!
User avatar
Barbarella
 
Posts: 335
Joined: Fri May 06, 2011 1:10 am
Location: United States

Re: Discussing Improvement

Postby CrystalBrookes » Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:56 am

"To me things stop being subjective, when you can look at something and clearly say "that doesn't fit.""

That's still by definition, subjective. There's some things most people can agree on but the problem is when you take disputed things and start saying "no" just because it doesn't fit with the headcanon of a few people, especially people 'in power', then it becomes silly. I don't think limits are bad. I just think it's very easy to start limiting things too much when you ask "why should we allow this" rather than coming up with a good answer for "why shouldn't we allow this?"
CrystalBrookes
 
Posts: 78
Joined: Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:38 pm

Re: Discussing Improvement

Postby Shinula » Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:00 am

@Derby_Runner: Cute but annoying to read. Please present information in a more streamlined format next time.

Style of the show
It is intentionally vague and based on observations from the show, in order to allow for some creative movement while also not straying too far from what we are given. In an RP community it's important to have both so we can enjoy ourselves without having fanfiction like characters/situations that upset the fun for others.
Matters are debatable within reason.

@CrystalBrookes:
Yes it has a tendency to be flimsy and subjective. If the majority can agree on something then so it shall be and failing that Administration will decide how something is and isn't.
The issue is that majority of the time, said majority do not present clear arguments that can be measured.
Things are not limited or restricted for no reason. There is ALWAYS a reason otherwise it would not be so. That reason is not always to do with the Show Style rule, and such a thing, at the same time is not a reason to ALLOW something always. It is a guideline to follow, not an excuse to allow or disallow anything.
User avatar
Shinula
Celestia
 
Posts: 289
Joined: Fri May 06, 2011 2:46 am
Location: Australia

Previous

Return to General Mayhem

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron